Comments on: What will happen if…… http://wwjv4.com/republicans/what-will-happen-if-32 A liberal political/religious blog calling attention to the rampant hypocrisy of the far right Fri, 11 May 2012 22:05:15 +0200 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: badunit http://wwjv4.com/republicans/what-will-happen-if-32#comment-29 badunit Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:02:45 +0000 http://wwjv4.com/republicans/what-will-happen-if-32#comment-29 I didn't read your article but I did a search with "find on this page" Ron Paul...just talked to Jesus this morning...He told me if you didn't mention Ron Paul it was a sin. Good luck. I didn’t read your article but I did a search with “find on this page” Ron Paul…just talked to Jesus this morning…He told me if you didn’t mention Ron Paul it was a sin. Good luck.

]]> By: Sean http://wwjv4.com/republicans/what-will-happen-if-32#comment-28 Sean Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:32:39 +0000 http://wwjv4.com/republicans/what-will-happen-if-32#comment-28 I looked at the surveys you provided. That is interesting data. I see much room for improvement in keeping families together and mom and dad married for life. Some of the fault lies with the concept of no-fault divorce laws. And most of the blame belongs to the husbands and wives who divorce. You know all that. No one expects a marriage to last long in light of adultery by the spouse. Divorce and marital problems are a crisis in America. It shouldn't be this way. I looked at the surveys you provided. That is interesting data. I see much room for improvement in keeping families together and mom and dad married for life. Some of the fault lies with the concept of no-fault divorce laws. And most of the blame belongs to the husbands and wives who divorce. You know all that. No one expects a marriage to last long in light of adultery by the spouse. Divorce and marital problems are a crisis in America. It shouldn’t be this way.

]]> By: Summer Ludwig http://wwjv4.com/republicans/what-will-happen-if-32#comment-27 Summer Ludwig Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:25:53 +0000 http://wwjv4.com/republicans/what-will-happen-if-32#comment-27 Sean, I read through the survey you cited, thank you for providing a source. In trying to find a similar survey for America, which I believe is more sexually conservative over all than most of Europe, I had a much harder time. I did find a survey from the Partners Task Force that you can read the summary of <a href="http://www.buddybuddy.com/survey.html" rel="nofollow">HERE.</a> This survey shows very different numbers, for homosexuals in America. For instance: SEXUAL AGREEMENTS Women(%) Men(%) Monogamy 91 63 Monogamy w/agreed exceptions 7 26 Non-monogamy 3 11 FREQUENCY OF BREAKING SEXUAL AGREEMENTS Women(%) Men(%) Never 90 63 Rarely 8 28 Sometimes 1 8 Often <1 2 PARTNER'S ADMITTED FREQUENCY OF BREAKING SEXUAL AGREEMENTS Women(%) Men(%) Never 93 73 Rarely 7 21 Sometimes <1 6 Often <1 <1 In America 25% of our population has been divorced. For Evangelical Christians that number is much higher, 34% in fact and 29% for Baptists. This is according to a Barna survey whose summary is located at <a href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm" rel="nofollow">HERE.</a> I found this interesting as Evangelical Christians are among the loudest voices for not allowing same-sex marriage. I do not see how a same-sex marital union would in any way take away from marriage. They are people, adults, and I feel they should have the same rights as any other adult in America. Sean,
I read through the survey you cited, thank you for providing a source. In trying to find a similar survey for America, which I believe is more sexually conservative over all than most of Europe, I had a much harder time. I did find a survey from the Partners Task Force that you can read the summary of HERE.
This survey shows very different numbers, for homosexuals in America. For instance:

SEXUAL AGREEMENTS
Women(%) Men(%)
Monogamy 91 63
Monogamy w/agreed
exceptions 7 26
Non-monogamy 3 11

FREQUENCY OF BREAKING SEXUAL AGREEMENTS
Women(%) Men(%)
Never 90 63
Rarely 8 28
Sometimes 1 8
Often <1 2

PARTNER'S ADMITTED FREQUENCY OF BREAKING SEXUAL AGREEMENTS
Women(%) Men(%)
Never 93 73
Rarely 7 21
Sometimes <1 6
Often <1 <1

In America 25% of our population has been divorced. For Evangelical Christians that number is much higher, 34% in fact and 29% for Baptists. This is according to a Barna survey whose summary is located at HERE.

I found this interesting as Evangelical Christians are among the loudest voices for not allowing same-sex marriage.

I do not see how a same-sex marital union would in any way take away from marriage. They are people, adults, and I feel they should have the same rights as any other adult in America.

]]> By: Sean http://wwjv4.com/republicans/what-will-happen-if-32#comment-26 Sean Sat, 13 Oct 2007 22:39:39 +0000 http://wwjv4.com/republicans/what-will-happen-if-32#comment-26 Yes, I quoted the stats from Dr. Maria Xiridou's 2003 study of homosexual men in Amsterdam. This was published in the journal AIDS vol 17 p 1031. http://www.aidsonline.com/pt/re/aids/fulltext.00002030-200305020-00012.htm;jsessionid=HRHRc2pw9fT3RLpQFKHh49JjT4J2MyCNwkdvv2SQZSyfv5GqDmVS!-1323538283!181195628!8091!-1 Thanks. Yes, I quoted the stats from Dr. Maria Xiridou’s 2003 study of homosexual men in Amsterdam. This was published in the journal AIDS vol 17 p 1031.

http://www.aidsonline.com/pt/re/aids/fulltext.00002030-200305020-00012.htm;jsessionid=HRHRc2pw9fT3RLpQFKHh49JjT4J2MyCNwkdvv2SQZSyfv5GqDmVS!-1323538283!181195628!8091!-1

Thanks.

]]> By: Summer Ludwig http://wwjv4.com/republicans/what-will-happen-if-32#comment-25 Summer Ludwig Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:17:19 +0000 http://wwjv4.com/republicans/what-will-happen-if-32#comment-25 Sean, can you provide a link or reference for these studies? Most studies that I have seen have not had those types of stats for marital fidelity. Thanks Sean, can you provide a link or reference for these studies? Most studies that I have seen have not had those types of stats for marital fidelity.

Thanks

]]> By: Sean http://wwjv4.com/republicans/what-will-happen-if-32#comment-24 Sean Sat, 13 Oct 2007 19:50:53 +0000 http://wwjv4.com/republicans/what-will-happen-if-32#comment-24 The gay definition of a committed marriage and the straight definition of a committed marriage are two different things. Examine the stats and note the differences. A Dutch Study indicated that while over 3/4 of married couples remain faithful to each other, homosexual couples typically engage in a shocking degree of promiscuity. The study found that "committed" homosexual couples have an average of 8 sexual partners (outside of the relationship) per year. Another study in the Netherlands, A gay-friendly nation, found that the average lifespan of a homosexual couples' relationship to be 1 1/2 years. I am interested in strenghthening marriages in order to give children a healthy, stable home-life. I also want marriage to succeed so that men and women can experience a more emotionally healthy life. I just don't see the gay idea of marriage adding anything constructive to marriage. The gay definition of a committed marriage and the straight definition of a committed marriage are two different things. Examine the stats and note the differences. A Dutch Study indicated that while over 3/4 of married couples remain faithful to each other, homosexual couples typically engage in a shocking degree of promiscuity. The study found that “committed” homosexual couples have an average of 8 sexual partners (outside of the relationship) per year. Another study in the Netherlands, A gay-friendly nation, found that the average lifespan of a homosexual couples’ relationship to be 1 1/2 years.

I am interested in strenghthening marriages in order to give children a healthy, stable home-life. I also want marriage to succeed so that men and women can experience a more emotionally healthy life. I just don’t see the gay idea of marriage adding anything constructive to marriage.

]]> By: William http://wwjv4.com/republicans/what-will-happen-if-32#comment-23 William Fri, 12 Oct 2007 20:42:43 +0000 http://wwjv4.com/republicans/what-will-happen-if-32#comment-23 Thanks for the comments Sean. Hillary's critics have been trying to play up her "negatives" since she ran in New York and she was able to win handily there. While she lacks some of the charisma of her husband I think she is stronger on policy and has better character values. With our current <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/pubs/pubd/nvsr/nvsr.htm#vol56" rel="nofollow">divorce rates</a> I would be hesitant to say that marriage is working. If your concern is with promiscuity and monogamy wouldn't it be counter productive to prevent any couples from getting married? It seems to me that allowing homosexual couples to get married would be more monogamous and less promiscuous than not. I would be interested in hearing some thoughts on that. Thanks for the comments Sean. Hillary’s critics have been trying to play up her “negatives” since she ran in New York and she was able to win handily there. While she lacks some of the charisma of her husband I think she is stronger on policy and has better character values.

With our current divorce rates I would be hesitant to say that marriage is working. If your concern is with promiscuity and monogamy wouldn’t it be counter productive to prevent any couples from getting married? It seems to me that allowing homosexual couples to get married would be more monogamous and less promiscuous than not. I would be interested in hearing some thoughts on that.

]]> By: Sean http://wwjv4.com/republicans/what-will-happen-if-32#comment-22 Sean Fri, 12 Oct 2007 19:35:26 +0000 http://wwjv4.com/republicans/what-will-happen-if-32#comment-22 I see Hillary as having overwhelming negatives. So much so that any of the republican front-runners might do well against her. She is not warm and friendly, like Bill Clinton. James Dobson is a respectful guy with strong opinions. I think he is a little frustrated with the current choices in he republican party. I share his feelings. I wish we had more candidates who will defend us from hate crime legislation and redefinition of marriage and so on, and so on. The present danger of hate crimes legislation is its use to charge and put in jail those who speak up about gay issues. Marriage has worked for the past 6,000 years because of a committed husband and wife. Now that is under attack for a more promiscuous and less monogamous counterfeit version, in my opinion. Thanks for comment section. I see Hillary as having overwhelming negatives. So much so that any of the republican front-runners might do well against her. She is not warm and friendly, like Bill Clinton.

James Dobson is a respectful guy with strong opinions. I think he is a little frustrated with the current choices in he republican party. I share his feelings. I wish we had more candidates who will defend us from hate crime legislation and redefinition of marriage and so on, and so on. The present danger of hate crimes legislation is its use to charge and put in jail those who speak up about gay issues. Marriage has worked for the past 6,000 years because of a committed husband and wife. Now that is under attack for a more promiscuous and less monogamous counterfeit version, in my opinion. Thanks for comment section.

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