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2007-10-16 14:28:51
The bible is relavent to current policies. Following the bible lenthens ones life also. For example, the bible states to not lie. Which is necessary for our court system to fuction. Perjury is a crime. The bible commands not to uses false measurements or balances. So this speaks to justice in truth in product labels.
Everyone has some kind of religious belief or system. Those beliefs can affect policy, if they are a policy-maker.
2007-10-16 14:39:55
The core tenants of the bible are not unique to Christians and the 10 Commandments greatly pre-date Christianity. Killing, stealing, lying and so forth are common across virtually all religions. Therefore to argue that you need to be Christian to understand these values is silly.
Obviously we do not disagree with these higher laws, what we disagree with is the infringement of religion into government and policy. Especially when religion is used to deny rights to those who are out of favor with a particular religion or to promote the teachings of one religion over others.
I would be interested in seeing a reference for the assertion that following the Bible lengthens your life.
2007-10-16 14:55:31
I don’t think Sean was arguing that you must be Christian to understand those values, merely that those values are in the Christian belief.
“what we disagree with is the infringement of religion into government and policy. Especially when religion is used to deny rights to those who are out of favor with a particular religion or to promote the teachings of one religion over others.”
Exactly. A definition of “infringe” is To transgress or exceed the limits of; violate. This is a good definition of what I was talking about with religion infringing on government. Because government is run by people each with their own beliefs that will influence what they do, there is; of course, some religion in politics. When it goes past that to something like what William said, that’s when it’s infringing and needs to be stopped.
2007-10-16 18:40:31
I was trying to say in my previous post that the bible has many good precepts that are beneficial to life. Proverbs 11:1 A false balance is an abomination to the Lord, But a just weight is His delight. That truism is a good one to implement in daily commerce, buying and selling. We expect our food labels to be accurate in their descriptions. We expect 8oz of peanut butter to be the true amount contained in the jar. We expect 20 grams of fat on the candy bar to be correctly represented.
There are many promises that state that following the wisdom of the bible will lengthen your days. For example Proverbs 3:2 says ‘…let your heart keep my commandments; For length of days and years of life and peace will they will add to you.’ And Ephesians 6:2,3 says ‘Honor your father and mother so that it may be well with you, and that you may live long on the earth.’
The American concept of a government divided into the three branches - judiciary, legislative, executive, comes from the bible. Look at Isaiah 33:22 For the Lord is our judge, The lord is our lawgiver, The lord is our king.
2007-11-14 19:38:24
Sean, when you say “The American concept of a government divided into the three branches - judiciary, legislative, executive, comes from the bible. Look at Isaiah 33:22 ‘For the Lord is our judge, The lord is our lawgiver, The lord is our king.’ doesn’t that verse prove the very OPPOSITE of what you claim, i.e. in the bible there is NO division of labor.
2007-12-11 22:06:47
For those interested in this topic, I’ve been posting outstanding material about it for over 12 years at http://LiberalsLikeChrist.Org/ .