Comments on: The Propaganda of Pro-Life http://wwjv4.com/politics/the-propaganda-of-pro-life-197 A liberal political/religious blog calling attention to the rampant hypocrisy of the far right Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:02:04 +0100 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Phil http://wwjv4.com/politics/the-propaganda-of-pro-life-197#comment-694 Phil Sat, 19 Apr 2008 23:42:41 +0000 http://wwjv4.com/sinners/the-propaganda-of-pro-life-197#comment-694 How would pro-lifers benefit from "controlling women and restricting freedom"? The issue for pro-lifers is to decrease the number (ideally, to zero) of lives destroyed. Abortion is the most obvious way this occurs, but many forms of artificial contraception are abortifacient; in fact, everything other than barrier methods has an abortifacient process to it, including the Pill. Defining life at fertilization also prevents Embryonic Stem Cell Research, which pro-lifers see as destroying life in an attempt to help for those already born, similar to the Tuskegee experiment. Have a great day! How would pro-lifers benefit from “controlling women and restricting freedom”?

The issue for pro-lifers is to decrease the number (ideally, to zero) of lives destroyed. Abortion is the most obvious way this occurs, but many forms of artificial contraception are abortifacient; in fact, everything other than barrier methods has an abortifacient process to it, including the Pill.

Defining life at fertilization also prevents Embryonic Stem Cell Research, which pro-lifers see as destroying life in an attempt to help for those already born, similar to the Tuskegee experiment.

Have a great day!

]]> By: SEAN http://wwjv4.com/politics/the-propaganda-of-pro-life-197#comment-693 SEAN Wed, 05 Mar 2008 15:34:52 +0000 http://wwjv4.com/sinners/the-propaganda-of-pro-life-197#comment-693 -----“Egg as Life” Human Life Amendment --- This policy would not ban abortive birth control pills (abcp's)and thereby increase unwanted births and in turn increase abortions as you might think. It could serve as a foundational step in 40 years or another generation and only after a cultural shift to chastity, to restrict or ban them. I think you are leaving out the cultural factor and it is a slow thing to change the hearts and minds of the people to different position such as that birth control pills aborting pre-born human beings. Look at the last 35 years from roe vs wade and you can see that change is slow. In summary I thougt about what you said and it is tempting to think that this amendment would immmediately lead to banning abcp's and thus increasing births since abcp's are so mainstreamed in the public use. But after thinking it through more thoroughly, I believe that realistically that such a policy would only come much later and only after the majority of the people of America accept that position. What do you think? —–“Egg as Life” Human Life Amendment — This policy would not ban abortive birth control pills (abcp’s)and thereby increase unwanted births and in turn increase abortions as you might think. It could serve as a foundational step in 40 years or another generation and only after a cultural shift to chastity, to restrict or ban them. I think you are leaving out the cultural factor and it is a slow thing to change the hearts and minds of the people to different position such as that birth control pills aborting pre-born human beings. Look at the last 35 years from roe vs wade and you can see that change is slow. In summary I thougt about what you said and it is tempting to think that this amendment would immmediately lead to banning abcp’s and thus increasing births since abcp’s are so mainstreamed in the public use. But after thinking it through more thoroughly, I believe that realistically that such a policy would only come much later and only after the majority of the people of America accept that position. What do you think?

]]> By: William http://wwjv4.com/politics/the-propaganda-of-pro-life-197#comment-692 William Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:55:07 +0000 http://wwjv4.com/sinners/the-propaganda-of-pro-life-197#comment-692 Ok, your just repeating the talking points without answering the question. How will this accomplish the stated goal of reducing abortions? We have already established it will do the opposite as it will greatly increase unwanted pregnancy by eliminating most birth control methods. Ok, your just repeating the talking points without answering the question. How will this accomplish the stated goal of reducing abortions? We have already established it will do the opposite as it will greatly increase unwanted pregnancy by eliminating most birth control methods.

]]> By: Summer Ludwig http://wwjv4.com/politics/the-propaganda-of-pro-life-197#comment-691 Summer Ludwig Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:48:56 +0000 http://wwjv4.com/sinners/the-propaganda-of-pro-life-197#comment-691 Again, you are missing the entire point. Regardless of your theology, how will doing this lower abortion rates? I know why no one has been able to answer this question. It's because IT WON'T! Again, you are missing the entire point. Regardless of your theology, how will doing this lower abortion rates? I know why no one has been able to answer this question. It’s because IT WON’T!

]]> By: SEAN http://wwjv4.com/politics/the-propaganda-of-pro-life-197#comment-690 SEAN Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:31:46 +0000 http://wwjv4.com/sinners/the-propaganda-of-pro-life-197#comment-690 We should define and codify into law the fertilzed egg is a human life, because that is the biological and theological reality. We want to do the right thing and we want to be consisent with the truth. The hard truth is that a fertilized egg is a human being. I was once a fertiled egg in mother's womb, and you were once a fertilized egg in yours. Colleen Parro says - The facts are these: Human beings, you and I, have 46 chromosomes in every cell in our bodies, except for the cells capable of generating another human life - the male sperm and female ovum, each having 23 chromosomes. When a 23 chromosome sperm penetrates a 23 chromosome ovum, a new, individual 46 chromosome single-cell human being comes into existence. No more egg. No more sperm. I start with the truth that the fertilized egg is indeed human. Then we define culture and policy from that starting point. We should define and codify into law the fertilzed egg is a human life, because that is the biological and theological reality. We want to do the right thing and we want to be consisent with the truth. The hard truth is that a fertilized egg is a human being. I was once a fertiled egg in mother’s womb, and you were once a fertilized egg in yours. Colleen Parro says – The facts are these: Human beings, you and I, have 46 chromosomes in every cell in our bodies, except for the cells capable of generating another human life – the male sperm and female ovum, each having 23 chromosomes.

When a 23 chromosome sperm penetrates a 23 chromosome ovum, a new, individual 46 chromosome single-cell human being comes into existence. No more egg. No more sperm.

I start with the truth that the fertilized egg is indeed human. Then we define culture and policy from that starting point.

]]> By: William http://wwjv4.com/politics/the-propaganda-of-pro-life-197#comment-689 William Tue, 04 Mar 2008 16:05:41 +0000 http://wwjv4.com/sinners/the-propaganda-of-pro-life-197#comment-689 The failure rate of condoms, which Kevin got wrong, is a perfect example of how this policy will increase unwanted pregnancy and abortion. This policy will make virtually all forms of birth control illegal as the vast majority of birth control prevents a fertilized egg from attaching to the uterus. Therefore the only remaining forms of birth control will be the least effective types. Therefore unwanted pregnancies will increase, which will increase abortion rates. As I said before this is not the place to discuss birth control effectiveness or the fantasy that people will suddenly accept abstinence. If someone would like to weigh in on how this policy (egg = life) will reduce abortion rates I would like to hear it. Remember that making abortions illegal has no effect on the number of abortions performed so that argument is not valid. The failure rate of condoms, which Kevin got wrong, is a perfect example of how this policy will increase unwanted pregnancy and abortion. This policy will make virtually all forms of birth control illegal as the vast majority of birth control prevents a fertilized egg from attaching to the uterus. Therefore the only remaining forms of birth control will be the least effective types. Therefore unwanted pregnancies will increase, which will increase abortion rates.

As I said before this is not the place to discuss birth control effectiveness or the fantasy that people will suddenly accept abstinence. If someone would like to weigh in on how this policy (egg = life) will reduce abortion rates I would like to hear it. Remember that making abortions illegal has no effect on the number of abortions performed so that argument is not valid.

]]> By: SEAN http://wwjv4.com/politics/the-propaganda-of-pro-life-197#comment-688 SEAN Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:32:31 +0000 http://wwjv4.com/sinners/the-propaganda-of-pro-life-197#comment-688 Kevin makes a good point about the condom failure problem. That sounds risky to me. Another problem I heard is that planned parenthood may in the past given low-dose contraceptives to teens. Which would have increased unwed pregnancies. I think they did this to get more repeat abortion business and thus make more money. I think your got it turned around on the results. It the abortion philosophy and free sex philosophy that results in more abortion deaths and more emotional suffering and more out-of-wedlock births and increased poverty. Kevin makes a good point about the condom failure problem. That sounds risky to me. Another problem I heard is that planned parenthood may in the past given low-dose contraceptives to teens. Which would have increased unwed pregnancies. I think they did this to get more repeat abortion business and thus make more money. I think your got it turned around on the results. It the abortion philosophy and free sex philosophy that results in more abortion deaths and more emotional suffering and more out-of-wedlock births and increased poverty.

]]> By: Summer Ludwig http://wwjv4.com/politics/the-propaganda-of-pro-life-197#comment-687 Summer Ludwig Sun, 02 Mar 2008 19:40:27 +0000 http://wwjv4.com/sinners/the-propaganda-of-pro-life-197#comment-687 Birth control is "supposed" to be used for ANYONE wanting to prevent pregnancy. Being married is certainly not a prerequisite. You were wrong on your stats, it does not matter if you were close or not you were wrong. Some additional info on condoms can be found <a href="http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/publications/factsheet/fscondom.htm" rel="nofollow">HERE</a> Abstinence is not reality for the majority of the population, nor should it be. Sex is a healthy part of life and should be enjoyed. In fact, it is one of our basic needs according to <a href="http://www.businessballs.com/images/maslow's_hierarchy_businessballs.jpg" rel="nofollow">Maslow</a>. Please enlighten us on how defining a human as a fertilized egg will lessen abortion rates. That's the issue we're talking about here. Thanks, Summer Birth control is “supposed” to be used for ANYONE wanting to prevent pregnancy. Being married is certainly not a prerequisite. You were wrong on your stats, it does not matter if you were close or not you were wrong. Some additional info on condoms can be found HERE

Abstinence is not reality for the majority of the population, nor should it be. Sex is a healthy part of life and should be enjoyed. In fact, it is one of our basic needs according to Maslow.

Please enlighten us on how defining a human as a fertilized egg will lessen abortion rates. That’s the issue we’re talking about here.

Thanks,

Summer

]]> By: Prince of Thrift http://wwjv4.com/politics/the-propaganda-of-pro-life-197#comment-686 Prince of Thrift Sun, 02 Mar 2008 18:40:53 +0000 http://wwjv4.com/sinners/the-propaganda-of-pro-life-197#comment-686 If a plane had a 14%-20% failure rate, then it would be grounded. I certainly wouldn't be flying on it. If a plane had a 14%-20% failure rate, then it would be grounded. I certainly wouldn’t be flying on it.

]]> By: Prince of Thrift http://wwjv4.com/politics/the-propaganda-of-pro-life-197#comment-685 Prince of Thrift Sun, 02 Mar 2008 18:35:44 +0000 http://wwjv4.com/sinners/the-propaganda-of-pro-life-197#comment-685 as I said 20% failure, well the study says 14% for condoms and at least 20% for other forms of birth control. And I don't know where you get Christians are apposed to birth control. Mo`st are not, if they are used as they are suppose to be. In a loving committed (married) relationship. I guess the study proves what I said more then you. Thanks for helping prove me right, yet again. What is your fascination with name calling? I have very little respect for anyone (on either side of the political spectrum) that resorts to such childish, juvenile tactics. Abstinence is not a fantasy, except to those with an attitude of "I want it, and I want it now." as I said 20% failure, well the study says 14% for condoms and at least 20% for other forms of birth control. And I don’t know where you get Christians are apposed to birth control. Mo`st are not, if they are used as they are suppose to be. In a loving committed (married) relationship. I guess the study proves what I said more then you. Thanks for helping prove me right, yet again.

What is your fascination with name calling? I have very little respect for anyone (on either side of the political spectrum) that resorts to such childish, juvenile tactics.

Abstinence is not a fantasy, except to those with an attitude of “I want it, and I want it now.”

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