Comments on: Christians’ Fear of Gays in The Military http://wwjv4.com/politics/christians-fear-of-gays-in-the-military-29 A liberal political/religious blog calling attention to the rampant hypocrisy of the far right Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:02:04 +0100 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Janis http://wwjv4.com/politics/christians-fear-of-gays-in-the-military-29#comment-16 Janis Fri, 08 Oct 2010 00:01:26 +0000 http://wwjv4.com/politics/christians-fear-of-gays-in-the-military-29#comment-16 Don't kid yourself. The military has exsisted with Gays for thousands of years. Why change things now? Don’t kid yourself. The military has exsisted with Gays for thousands of years. Why change things now?

]]> By: Summer Ludwig http://wwjv4.com/politics/christians-fear-of-gays-in-the-military-29#comment-15 Summer Ludwig Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:56:22 +0000 http://wwjv4.com/politics/christians-fear-of-gays-in-the-military-29#comment-15 Hi fabianlander, Could you explain what you mean? I am not sure if you mean that gays should be segregated in the military or if this is something that should debated amongst gays? Thanks so much, Summer Hi fabianlander,
Could you explain what you mean? I am not sure if you mean that gays should be segregated in the military or if this is something that should debated amongst gays?

Thanks so much,
Summer

]]> By: fabianlander http://wwjv4.com/politics/christians-fear-of-gays-in-the-military-29#comment-14 fabianlander Wed, 17 Oct 2007 08:08:25 +0000 http://wwjv4.com/politics/christians-fear-of-gays-in-the-military-29#comment-14 perhaps gaya can seperate from no gays in the millitary, this can reduce the contradiction. perhaps gaya can seperate from no gays in the millitary, this can reduce the contradiction.

]]> By: Summer Ludwig http://wwjv4.com/politics/christians-fear-of-gays-in-the-military-29#comment-13 Summer Ludwig Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:04:10 +0000 http://wwjv4.com/politics/christians-fear-of-gays-in-the-military-29#comment-13 As you can see I linked to your blog so they can see for themselves what I am discussing. I believe in being fair after all. Contrary to popular belief, I don't wish to censor anyone. I've written several articles on this site alone and this is the only one that mentions your blog. It does so because I found the responses and your blog itself to be representative of what I see as a bigger problem. Thank you for taking the time to comment and I hope you do so in the future. As you can see I linked to your blog so they can see for themselves what I am discussing. I believe in being fair after all. Contrary to popular belief, I don’t wish to censor anyone. I’ve written several articles on this site alone and this is the only one that mentions your blog. It does so because I found the responses and your blog itself to be representative of what I see as a bigger problem.

Thank you for taking the time to comment and I hope you do so in the future.

]]> By: Carisa Wells http://wwjv4.com/politics/christians-fear-of-gays-in-the-military-29#comment-12 Carisa Wells Fri, 12 Oct 2007 20:47:02 +0000 http://wwjv4.com/politics/christians-fear-of-gays-in-the-military-29#comment-12 So glad to provide you with material since you can't come up with your own ideas. I hope the people who read your blog are intelligent enough to know that you have seriously taken my words out of context. Read my blog for youself and come to your own conclusion. Maybe on your next blog, you can come up with your own ideas. So glad to provide you with material since you can’t come up with your own ideas. I hope the people who read your blog are intelligent enough to know that you have seriously taken my words out of context. Read my blog for youself and come to your own conclusion.

Maybe on your next blog, you can come up with your own ideas.

]]> By: Leonard http://wwjv4.com/politics/christians-fear-of-gays-in-the-military-29#comment-11 Leonard Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:46:32 +0000 http://wwjv4.com/politics/christians-fear-of-gays-in-the-military-29#comment-11 It's a childish response to an adult conversation is all. It’s a childish response to an adult conversation is all.

]]> By: Summer Ludwig http://wwjv4.com/politics/christians-fear-of-gays-in-the-military-29#comment-10 Summer Ludwig Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:23:29 +0000 http://wwjv4.com/politics/christians-fear-of-gays-in-the-military-29#comment-10 I agree with you. It certainly seems strange to accuse us of censorship because we don't agree with them. I'm pretty hard pressed to figure out exactly how anyone came up with that idea. I agree with you. It certainly seems strange to accuse us of censorship because we don’t agree with them. I’m pretty hard pressed to figure out exactly how anyone came up with that idea.

]]> By: Leonard http://wwjv4.com/politics/christians-fear-of-gays-in-the-military-29#comment-9 Leonard Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:54:17 +0000 http://wwjv4.com/politics/christians-fear-of-gays-in-the-military-29#comment-9 Summer, I thought it was interesting that you and I have been acused of attemped censorship when neither of us has ever told anyone over there to stop "arguing" with us. If you are going to put your thoughts and beliefs out there for everyone to read why would you expect EVERYONE to just agree with you and do as you say? Better yet why would you want that to happen? Discourse is the higest form of communication and everyone learns something every time they do it. Unless they refuse to participate that is. Summer,

I thought it was interesting that you and I have been acused of attemped censorship when neither of us has ever told anyone over there to stop “arguing” with us.

If you are going to put your thoughts and beliefs out there for everyone to read why would you expect EVERYONE to just agree with you and do as you say?

Better yet why would you want that to happen?

Discourse is the higest form of communication and everyone learns something every time they do it. Unless they refuse to participate that is.

]]> By: Summer Ludwig http://wwjv4.com/politics/christians-fear-of-gays-in-the-military-29#comment-8 Summer Ludwig Fri, 12 Oct 2007 02:12:37 +0000 http://wwjv4.com/politics/christians-fear-of-gays-in-the-military-29#comment-8 You're right, which is why I didn't "quote" the constitution. What we have is a first amendment that states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . . ." Under that amendment we have the establishment clause and the free exercise clause. These have been interpreted to effectively be a separation of church and state. Indeed that exact phrase has been used by the Supreme Court in rulings more than 25 times. John Locke, Thomas Jefferson, and James Madison were among the early users of this term and ideology and it continues to stand up today. Thus the separation of church and state is in the constitution. You’re right, which is why I didn’t “quote” the constitution. What we have is a first amendment that states “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . . .”

Under that amendment we have the establishment clause and the free exercise clause. These have been interpreted to effectively be a separation of church and state. Indeed that exact phrase has been used by the Supreme Court in rulings more than 25 times.

John Locke, Thomas Jefferson, and James Madison were among the early users of this term and ideology and it continues to stand up today. Thus the separation of church and state is in the constitution.

]]> By: Prince of Thrift http://wwjv4.com/politics/christians-fear-of-gays-in-the-military-29#comment-7 Prince of Thrift Fri, 12 Oct 2007 01:47:27 +0000 http://wwjv4.com/politics/christians-fear-of-gays-in-the-military-29#comment-7 Before you try to "quote" the constitution, perhaps it would help if you actually read the document. I challenge you to find it. Because it is not there. The U. S. Constitution does not say "seperation of Church and state." In fact the term only appeared in U. S. History in a letter Thomas Jefferson wrote to a Baptist Minister. Further the only Constitution the phrase was ever in was the now defunct Soviet Union. Which is funny because it was Atheist State. And if you go by websters diffinetion for religion (a deeply held belief) then Atheism is a religion. Given this info, it is impossible to have a true seperation of church and state, because one way or the other you will be recognizing someones religion. Even if it is the religion of Atheism. OK, enough with the civic lesson. Now for you assertion, that straight people who are uncomfortable undressing/showering infront of a homosexual are afraid of being jumped, is ludricus and at best a total misrepresentation of what they said. A person can be uncomfortable without feeling threatened. Before you try to “quote” the constitution, perhaps it would help if you actually read the document. I challenge you to find it. Because it is not there.

The U. S. Constitution does not say “seperation of Church and state.” In fact the term only appeared in U. S. History in a letter Thomas Jefferson wrote to a Baptist Minister. Further the only Constitution the phrase was ever in was the now defunct Soviet Union.

Which is funny because it was Atheist State. And if you go by websters diffinetion for religion (a deeply held belief) then Atheism is a religion.

Given this info, it is impossible to have a true seperation of church and state, because one way or the other you will be recognizing someones religion. Even if it is the religion of Atheism.

OK, enough with the civic lesson.

Now for you assertion, that straight people who are uncomfortable undressing/showering infront of a homosexual are afraid of being jumped, is ludricus and at best a total misrepresentation of what they said. A person can be uncomfortable without feeling threatened.

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