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Stupid Philosophy Game about Morality

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I have always liked philosophy so I was excited when PZ Meyers tweeted the Battleground God game. After taking a few minutes to run through it ( and finding now philosophical contradictions about religion ) I tried out another game of theirs.

This one is “Should you Kill the Fat Man?“. I highly recommend playing it now before reading any further because if you keep reading what I say will ruin it for you.

Seriously, go play it.

Go. I’ll wait.

Ok, glad you came back. Trust me you will be happy to have played it before reading this because you may now be thinking the same thing I was at the end. You did play it right? Ok, I trust you.

It starts of by asking the following questions.

  • Question 1: Torture, as a matter of principle, is always morally wrong. ( I say True )
  • Question 2: The morality of an action is determined by whether, compared to the other available options, it maximizes the sum total of happiness of all the people affected by it. ( I say False because this is a silly way to determine morality ).
  • Question 3: It is always, and everywhere, wrong to cause another person’s death – assuming they wish to stay alive – if this outcome is avoidable.( I say False – To save the lives of others etc. )
  • Question 4: If you can save the lives of innocent people without reducing the sum total of human happiness, and without putting your own life at risk, you are morally obliged to do so. ( True Again )

Alright, now that they have nailed down your moral absolutes ( silly concept but it’s their game ) they start by presenting some scenarios that are meant to challenge them. I fail the first one which is …

Scenario Part 1:

The brakes of the train that Casey Jones is driving have just failed. There are five people on the track ahead of the train. There is no way that they can get off the track before the train hits them. The track has a siding leading off to the right, and Casey can hit a button to direct the train onto it. Unfortunately, there is one person stuck on the siding. Casey can turn the train, killing one person; or he can allow the train to continue onwards, killing five people.

Should he turn the train (1 dead); or should he allow it to keep going (5 dead)?

I say yes, he should turn the train, effectively saving 4 lives. The game sees this as a contradiction to my belief that causing death is always wrong. Alright, whatever. It is still wrong and I would feel terrible if I were actually in this situation. I would have felt worse doing nothing and letting more die though.  This is why moral absolutes are silly.

Scenario Part 2:

Marty Bakerman is on a footbridge above the train tracks. He can see that the train approaching the bridge is out of control, and that it is going to hit five people who are stuck on the track just past the bridge. The only way to stop the train is to drop a heavy weight into its path. The only available heavy enough weight is a (very) fat man, who is also watching the train from the footbridge. Marty can push the fat man onto the track into the path of the train, which will kill him but save the five people already on the track; or he can allow the train to continue on its way, which will mean that the five will die.

Should he push the fat man onto the track (1 dead); or allow the train to continue (5 dead)?

Here, even though the math is the same the action is very different. The first situation involved making a horrible situation a little less horrible and doing everything possible to save lives. This one is just murdering some hapless bystander to save other hapless bystanders. I chose not to murder the fat man and moved on to the next part.

Scenario Part 3:

Okay so this scenario is identical to the preceding scenario but with one crucial difference. This time Marty Bakerman knows with absolute certainty that the fat man on the bridge is responsible for the failure the train’s brakes: upset by train fare increases, he sabotaged the brakes with the intention of causing an accident. As before, the only way to stop the train and save the lives of the five people already on the track is to push the fat saboteur off the bridge into the path of the train.

Should Marty push the fat saboteur onto the track (1 dead); or allow the train to continue (5 dead)?

This one was a little bit harder. First off I don’t support the death penalty as a punishment doled out by the state after the criminal is safely out of society. I do however have little problem when criminals are killed in the act or while evading arrest. It’s not a contradiction, its a matter of practicality, safety to society, and necessity.

Anyhow, I chose to Push the fat saboteur onto the track. In this case the criminal was still a danger to society and if his crime results in his own death then I think I can sleep just fine. The game agrees and we move on.

Scenario Part 4

Should you torture the fat man?

The fat man, having avoided being thrown in front of the runaway train, has been arrested, and is now in police custody. He states that he has hidden a nuclear device in a major urban centre, which has been primed to explode in 24 hours time. The following things are true:

  1. The bomb will explode in 24 hours time.
  2. It will kill a million people if it explodes.
  3. If bomb disposal experts get to the bomb before it explodes, there’s a chance it could be defused.
  4. The fat man cannot be tricked into revealing the location of the bomb, nor is it possible to appeal to his better nature, nor is it possible to persuade him that he was wrong to plant the bomb in the first place.
  5. If the fat man is tortured, then there is a 75% chance that he will give up the bomb’s location.
  6. If the fat man does not reveal the location, the bomb will explode, and a million people will die: there is no other way of finding out where the bomb is located.

Should the fat man be tortured in the hope that he will reveal the location of the nuclear device?

I couldn’t even answer this stupid ass question. What? Torture is really the only way we’re getting the information? Was this written by a Republican? They think the torture has a 75% chance of success, in under 24 hours, against a hardened criminal. You know what the real chance of success of getting actionable information using only torture when the subject knows they only have to keep you busy for 24 hours is? ZERO! None! Fuck all.

So to play this game I have to make a moral choice based on some republican’s Jack Bauer bedroom fantasy, I stopped playing at this point and chose option #3 and called the psychic hot-line because in reality their advice would be just a good as any information gained through torture.

Obama Soft on Crime: Pardons Turkey

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Go Forth and Prosper

President Barack Obama is being targeted by some on the right for being soft on crime after pardoning a Turkey yesterday.  While this was the first pardon of his short presidency some worry that it sets a a dangerous precedent.  How after all, they wonder, will he stand up to terrorists when he can’t even take down common poultry.

Sarah Palin shows how it should be done.

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Have a great Thanksgiving everyone.

We’re Back

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Sorry for the long delay and absence but Summer and I are BACK!!!  We have even brought along our new project Talk Topeka for the fun.  Now that all that election hoopla is over with we can concentrate on doing what we do best, making fun of the fundamentalists who are trying to run this nation into the dark ages.

So look for a fresh new … erm … look and a renewed energy.  I honestly can’t say how excited I am to be back at WWJV4.com and I hope that some of our old readers are still around.  So check out Talk Topeka, it just launched and its still trying to find its sea legs, and look for even more blogs to be rolled out over the winter.

Monday Morning Funnies Homeopathy Edition

Normally on Mondays I try to post a few funny things to make everyones worst day at work or school a little easier to deal with. Today I thought I would try something different and concentrate on a funny yet important subject, Homeopathy. For most rational people homeopathy is an easy subject to laugh at. Sadly though the misplaced belief in these superstitious “remedies” has many dire consequences that are often overlooked.

For those unfamiliar with homeopathy here is a short summery. Homeopathy is based upon the theories of Samuel Hahnemann who believed that disease and sickness were caused by imbalances in the body. Whats more he believed that these imbalances could be cured by taking microscopic quantities of minerals, herbs, and other bizarre substances. For a good overview I strongly suggest this article “Homeopathy: The Ultimate Fake“.

It is important to remember that homeopathic remedies have never been proven more effective than placebos. However homeopaths are quick to defend their beliefs by saying that their remedies have special magical attributes that prevent them from being tested scientifically. If this defense sounds familiar its the same as the one used for intelligent design. For an excellent overview of the science behind homeopathy I strongly recommend Ben Goldacre’s “The End of Homeopathy“.

Skepchick ran a series on Homeopathy a few weeks back during Homeopathy Awareness Week. I read every one but since we don’t normally cover superstitious nonsense never brought it up here. However if you have time to read them they are very good.

Monday Morning Funnies

I haven’t done this in a while so I thought I would do it this morning. For whatever reason I can’t seem to get going so maybe this will help us all. Most likely its because I have tried to cut down on caffeine and a Monday morning is the worst possible time to do that. If you have found anything funny feel free to post it below in the comments. Have a great week.

DAMMIT!!!!

A sex tape featuring Marilyn Monroe engaging in oral sex with an unknown man was recently purchased for 1.5 Million dollars. This isn’t really surprising and honestly I figured the price would be considerably higher. At 1.5 Million the thing is a steal. What sucks is that apparently the guy who purchased it is planning on keeping it private. How sad, finally a celebrity sex tape I actually would want to watch and its going to be kept private.

Random SNL Humor

SNL was pretty good this weekend and these first two videos are from that. This first one is dedicated to a friend of my wifes who does a good impression of this.

Creationist Humor

If you follow the flat earthers quest to replace science education with religious indoctrination you are probably familiar with the movie Expelled. Well it was only a matter of time until some good cartoons started popping up. Here is one of the best for you. Now you can all join us as we point and laugh at the silly creationists.

Funny Music Video

This last video is courtesy of Skepchick, a great blog that I highly recommend. In addition to this great video there are also 2 funny “Rickrolling” videos on that page. The first is at a Westboro Baptist Church protest and the second is at some random Scientology thing. Enjoy and don’t hesitate to comment.

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